Damn that sucks,
I recieved an oth last year from the USMC, I am in the beginning stages of filing an appeal. I popped for weed. I was in the infantry for almost four years and graduated from multiple schools that required hundreds of hours of mental and phiscal strain. I was fucking short changed. now I hear people are getting off on their first offence.

Same thing happened to me, I even served in desert storm/shield. I was discharged after 3 years back in 92' Can I still appeal, and if so how?

I got discharged OTH for Cocaine. I refused to give up fellow Marines names, and was harrassed for 6 months and sent home Other Than Honorably. Semper Fidelis meant something to me. If I could somehow re-enlist I would, But I don't know what to do. I have heard that an OTH changes to a regular General after 6 months. Is this so... and if so can I re enlist?

Domenic...I just read up on what you thought was true, but I have bad news. When you recieve an OTH discharge, it is NOT automatically upgraded after 6 months. You have to spend lots of money and time to achieve the upgrade.

I looked even further into the discharge laws. You have 15 yrs to submit an form DD 293 to possibly get an upgrade and then after 15yrs you have to go before a military correction board, or something like that. By that time, most people could give a shit anyways. But if you want to get a start on a hearing, I suggest printing out the form and submitting it.

I guess i'm in the same boat as you guys. Get this, I was 3yrs and 9 months into my 4yr contract in the Marine Corps. I received a OTH for Disobeying a lawful order. But when it comes down to it, I was given the boot for breaking restriction. Ain't that some crap.I guess it doesnt pay to be PMO.

I'm in the same boat with you guys. I recieved an OTH after popping positive on a piss test. Some friends and I were on liberty two months into our deployment when we shared a couple joints. We were all frist time offenders and had excellent records. we all ended up getting the boot. My average eval at that point was 3.7 and I had never been in any trouble before that. I have been lying to my employer since 1995 and he has never bothered to check.I've even passed two security checks. So I agree why rat yourself out chances are they will never know. Matt

Whats up? Well anyways i got kicked out for drinking underage. In japan. i recived a general under honorable cicumstances; i would like to know what i need to do to get it upgraded to an honorable because i was found a dependent alcohallic, medicly.I was the same befor i joined the navy. so that would be a medical condition that i had prior to enlisting, whitch should mean that i should have gotten a honorable medical discharge. but insted i got a pattern of miss conduct general discharge, code RE4. if anyone has information let me know BTW FTN.

I think for any discharge upgrade(marines or navy), you have to go to the Naval Board of Corrections. If I remember correctly you have to do a lot of community service and keep a steady job. And you can't get in trouble for ANYTHING! Then after a year, the board reviews your case and then they decide. But 96% of the time they DO NOT upgrade your discharge. I was in the Marines and received an OTH after 3 yrs of active duty. The only time i ever smoked while I was in, i got caught. It wasn't worth it. I was an administrator so I had access to orders, memorandums, SEVNAV's, and MCO's. If you need the paperwork, i will be glad to send it to anyone.

is a medical discharge an honorable discharge?

How long were you in when you got a medical discharge?

I am about to get discharged from the navy for positive urinalisis. Most likely an OTH slight possibility of getting a general. I need some honest answers however. How much has this type of discharge affected your civilian life. Do all of you lie about your discharge? Any advice on what I shpould do? Thanks

Back in '92 I was given an OTH from the USN. It could've been alot worse though. It started as insubordination, then a charge of simple assault on a senior officer. While in a TPU unit in Great Lakes, I left. I came home for 33 days, flew back to GL, turned myself in, and with the help of a civilian attorney (not a public defender) I had on retainer, I was charged with misconduct, not desertion or any other charges. I was discharged 45 days later. In 1997, I had my discharge upgraded to General with the help of my state rep and congressman Tim Holden. Try your elected officials, they all do favors for other gov't officials. Good Luck.

Joey Murphy, don't look into this too hard. A lot of people get their discharges upgraded through elected gov't officials (state reps, senators, congressmen, etc). There's a way around alot of the procedures, you just have to look. You don't even need to spend alot of money, either.

Iwas booted from the army in 2002, popped positive for pot. I had my oth turned to a general to. My parents talked to our state rep, he said he'll look in to it. A month latr, he called and told me to call the congressmans office. in november of 2003 my discharge was upgraded. You know what the sad part is? I work for the USPS as a letter carrier, its a FEDERAL job, i even got it with my oth discharge, so much for background checks.

I just wanted to know any info about adminstration sparation from the Navy because I was interested in any info because of my current status in the military based on a bad decision.

Hey, I having a hard time tring to upgrade my discharge. I popped with 6 months left in my contract and the said thing was that I was drunk ans did some coke. I was a first timer that was the sad thing.the master at arms told me that if I did not admitt to it that I would get court martialed , so I did I wrote a statment. This is not the person I am but it's being three years and I'm working on putting it all together. I need advise on what do to (not the paper work) but on who to talk with,and what to say. I'll fly to washington just so they will here me out,but I just need hope from someone that it is possible and how long should it take. And if there is someone out there that can help or direct me to the right place I would appreciate it so much.

I received an oth from the Army in 1988 for a bad piss test. I am looking for any resources that you have, web sites or #'s, to help me look into the inpact or what I can do to change the discharge

My husband got a DUI on base and the navy is giving him the run around. They just sent him to restriction for 2 weeks. They told him if he decided not to show up for work then he would be kicked out for sure and given other than honorable discharge.
Any advise would be helpful. Thanks.

I am in the process of going through an admin sep board for positive ua for coke. I gave the NCIS agent my statement about this guy who gave me a ciggarrette dipped into liquid cocaine substance. Weird thing is that i'm actually innocent of using intentionally.The NCIS agent went and got a signed statement from the guy i went to school with that i didn't have any knowledge of the cocaine being in my possession. I'm in the process of doing undercover work with NCIS, and even checked into a rehab for 28 days just to prove that i'm not a drug abuser or user . if anybody has experienced this or has any advice to give me so i can be retained in the navy i sure would appreciate. Thank you

Can you be recalled to active service with an Other Than Honorable Discharge?

No, you can't be recalled to active service with an OTH only an honorable.

from what I have seen how you are processed depends upon whether or not your chain of command likes you.

one guy on my submarine got in trouble for using cocaine and it was not that big of a deal. I was a horrible person, so bad that they had to destroy my most recent evaluation prior to processing me.

look for errors in your paperwork. they fuck that up like clockwork. don't let them know, but spend the money to have a lawyer look over your paperwork.

i'm getting discharged for a drug pop and i think i'm going to get a general discharge. is this really that bad of a discharge? do employers check for the reason of discharge if i do mention my military service?

the fact that I got offered a job handling chemical weapons for the government should tell you that their discharge really does not mean that much other than what effects it may have on college stuff.

if you reenlisted and got an honorable discharge with over 3 years of service in prior to the later general drug discharge I think you still get those benefits too. it was that way when I was in, but am not certain if it is still that way. I would check for more guidance on that though if I were still in.

best o luck
aaron

I really am tired of the Navy so much I have 14 months left and my life is just screwed up because I need to be at home in Tampa (where my wife and life is) instead of Jax. I got accepted to a really kickass college and I have a small business that is really picked up, the thing that is holding me down is the damn Navy. I really don't care for the VA crap, the college money is the only reason holding me down, I am not caring any more about the GIBILL and am willing to finish paying for college myself. Does any one know how I can get myself a General? Could I admit to DAPA that I have a drug problem (I don't) and let them send me to rehab or something will they give me a general? Does it really even matter? I need out. I'm tired of it, oh yea I can't get an early out because I am eligible for and SRB. I'm aggravated and ready roll home.

HELLO IM MIKE I WAS ON THE USS BUNKER HILL CG-52
I HAD A POSITIVE PISS TEST FOR METHAMPEDAMINE
GOT A REDUCTION TO E-1 45/45
1/2 PAY TIMES 2
OTH FROM NAVY
BUT I WISH TO REENLIST
CAN ANY ONE HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hey i got out of the army, on a oth, about a year ago. basically i had been in for less than 3 years and was going up to the promotion board for e-5 within days, oh btw i was 19 at this time. so anyway i get put on this detail with a bunch of rag-bags and i think to myself "no f'nin way im doing this s***work." so long story short, I tell the NCOIC, batt. CSM, I cannot complete the detail, my comp. cmdr. calls on the phone, and screaming at me. I was told by the CSM not to go anywhere, but my cmdr told me to go back, the SDNCO wouldnt let me leave so i got hit up with disobeying a direct order from a C.O.
the next day they tried to get me to do some more shit work, i tell this NCO i cannot comply. basically, from friends i had that worked in battalion/brigade lvls, where all the talking goes on at, I was told Im going to pensacola for 30 days. I ended up leaving for 31 days came back, and put a chapter 10 in, I was out within 2 weeks. problem is, maybe its just me, but I cant get a job for shit man, im working on going into the navy reserves. but we'll see. my congressman could care less, and forget washington. so basically Im stuck, I got no job, no future it seems, i been living off my brother for a year, and I'm giving up hope. Ive written everyone you can write, called everyone you can call. I dont know what to do. For someone that had no history of bad conduct, no drug use, etc etc, and my commander just gave me a full 150 on my promotion counseling (which never happens), they really fucked me up. b.t.w.. I was and air traffic controller, a damn good one too, but federal jobs and even contract jobs wont even look at me. I see people talking about getting job requests from quasay-military jobs and wonder, wtf? how is this going so horribly for me, yet people are actually offering you jobs? please email me (keep the flames to a minimum) if you have any advise, or are in the same boat, i can tell you all the paths ive tried to take, maybe they'll pan out for you.

Can anyone get any info or #'s to try and get my oth upgrade. Please.

hi, i am 19 and recently i popped on a drug test. I popped for cocain. I hopefully will get a OTH but i dont know. Can any one tell me if my life is ruined? im so young and i want to grow to be old and have a good and healthy life. Is that possible. Pease respond

email address: surfer6702@yahoo.com
thanks js

My husband was in the Navy, and while he was away I got pregnant, I had a terrible pregnancy, and they thought I miscarried, my husband and I were distraught. I went back to the doctor because I felt that I was still pregnant, and I was. I told my husband, but the doctor’s said that it would be a slim chance that I and the baby would survive. My husband asked for leave, and since he had just returned from leave 2 months prior. They refused his chit to leave. Well he was sick with the idea that something might happen with me and the baby while he was away stationed in California, and that he would not be here with me. So he left, he went UA, and stayed with me for the remainder of the pregnancy, and was going to turn himself in once he knew the baby and I were safe, when I was 9 months, The Navy came down to Texas, and arrested him, and threw him in the Brig for 2 months. He did not get to see his first born delivered, but God was good, we were okay. Well he received an OTH for leaving, even though we had letters we sent to the Navy during his punishment phase, Doctor Reports, Medical reports, etc.
Now my husband is having the worse time finding a regular job, some have done Military background checks on him even though he chose to leave that information off the application. How can he repair his life? I feel guilty for everything, because he is unable to be a productive member of society, he has to live with the shame of all this, and he did it for me and his son. His son passed away shortly afterwards at 9 mos with SIDS, which was extremely hard on us. If he was in the Navy, he might have not had the chance to spend the 8 mos with his son. Any help?

I recently just tested positive for cocaine on a urinalysis. I admitted to the charge, which I know I shouldn't have. I received 45/45 1/2 months pay x 2, and they are processing me out of the Navy. They are trying to give me an OTH, but I have requested an Admin. Seperation board. I have four questions. 1) What are my chances of getting a General Discharge from the Admin board, and 2)If I do get the OTH how will it effect my life after the Navy, 3) what are my chances of getting it upgraded 4) Does anyone know if there is anyway the VA will still give me the GI bill? I have less then a year left in the Navy. I haven't been charged with anything else, while I have been in. I was also a really good worker and considered to be a good sailor while I was here. If anyone has any anwers for me I would really appreciate your help. Email me @ clarkwr@ogden.navy.mil

Hi William
if your chain of command wanted to look out for you and cared for you then you probably would have had a good chance of doing well.

the 45/45 is interesting because most scumbag commands insist on the 60/60 to ensure they make as much of an example as they can out of you.

if you reelisted after a few years on I think that first enlistment may have had an associated honorable discharge that locks in your benefits. if not you are out of luck.

your chances of a general are all dependant on whether people who are "really important" (in real life more like really petty) think you were a "team player" (which in real life means you kissed a ton of ass)

the lawyer who represented me was given less than favorable reviews in the navy because he actually defended the people he was supposed to defend.

kinda goes to show you what a fucked up place the navy is.

my suggestion as to the effects of your discharge... just do not mention it or lie about it. I tried playing honest and nobody wanted to hire me. First company I failed to mention the navy to brought me on as management.

had I not quit working for them I would have likely ran the entire regional office within 6 months of being employed there.

I can give you a few more funny kickers to my terms of employment but I do not want to ruin the good deal for other people.

I made a website about how horrible the navy is and learning how to promote it I became a successful internet marketer.

There is a reason you this page and were able to post your comments into it ;)

best of luck

just don't take their bullshit with you as something that ruins your life.

perhaps if military suicide were less common and the leaders were a bit more intelligent I could see how they are right...but they are idiots and suicide is common due to high stress and dumb leadership.

In the next year or two I intend to set up a scholorship (paying out of my own pocket) for people who got kicked out of the navy.

Just FYI I got an oth I'd heard about people getting back in, but it takes some work. As long as you didn't get out for drugs or alcohol you can contact an active reserveist and at some points they take re3's, and re4's back in but you have to do active reserves to get an honorable than you can either get out or go full active duty. They also like to see some volunteer work make sure you don't get in trouble etc.

Hey most of you got screwed. I smoked weed and pissed hot on purpose to get kicked out, and my asshole commander knew it and barried it! Then they tried to fuck with me mentally and physically. They were going to try and screw me in the end with as much punishment as possible. Like a dishonrable discharge and prison time at levenworth. But I got the last laugh. I whent over all my commands head straight to the Lt. Colonel and said I was gay. I was Honorably dicharged a week later. Taught all those corrupt fuckoffs. I was in the 101st Airborne Infantry and I gave my heart and soul. Then the bastards in my unit tryed to screw me, and thats why I'm not their and they all are sweating in the Iraq desert. I feel for all of you and wish you had got a better hand like me. Sometimes in life you have to take the better hand. Don't let the world screw you anymore. Fuck the lies, stand up and stick it to everyone who tries to screw you, even the U.S Government.

Hi everyone......I would just like to share my story with you...;.
I enlisted in the USN on Dec 7th 1999. While I was in the Navy of course the drinking increased, (how else are we supposed to deal with the stress of the fucking Navy?). I checked myself into CAAC in Sep of 01 after finding out that my best friend back home had gotten killed in a car accident and of course since it was not a FAMILY member I could not get granted emer. leave, needless to say I went downhill pretty fast. Like I said I checked myself in to treatment went through it and stayed sober for a year and a half. To make a long story short we had a command sweep about 2 yrs later and out of 1500 people my fiance and I were to only 2 to pop on our piss tests when I physically saw at least 100 others popping x also. There was a lot of different occurances that led up to this final factor. It was mem. day weekend, there was a huge party ended popping some x and got kicked out. I know that NCIS was trying to fuck me from day one for some reason. They pulled me in for a "security clearance" when nobody in my division knew anything about it and we all know that you have to be recommended by someone for that. They brought me in there and totally drilled me about everything...remember, this is about a month BEFORE the command sweep. I feel like I was set up...actually I know that I was setup. I knew that I had popped some x, yes i knew that, so while we went in to piss in a cup I dipped my in the toilet to water it down,....and I still popped. Am I crazy or does all of this seem a little fucked up...and then come to find out that my girl in texas(she was the CO's yoeman) popped on a piss test and was let off??????) I would love to hear what everyone thinks about this

Hi Jill, now that hes been discharged he can kick that guys ass at the local bar!

I joined the Corp in 93 spent a year inactive. 2.5 years into my service as a CPL in 2nd LAR BN I popped on a piss test and was booted out with an OTH. What's fucked up is I had NEVER been in trouble.
I'm doing fine now have had a solid job for the past 5 years as a computer technician and I also work as a Mototcycle riding Coach.
Don't let them basterds get you down as long as you keep your service to yourself and stay out of trouble noone will be the wiser.
I'm thinking of reenlisting in the Army as SF..but I can't with my OTH. Has anyone been able to reenlist with an OTH??

Chad

I got totally screwed by one of our own. I am totally ashamed to this day, and would give up everything just to be back. I received an OTH in May and my EAS was in June. Pattern of misconduct so they say. I got NJP for a bad check, which had already been paid. They went to NavyFed and got my records, and sent me to NJP again again for a check that was from at least a year prior. I had a daughter at daycare, and got restricted to the barracks. With my child as their weapon, I was politely convinced to ask for an Admin Discharge. Was basically guarantedd by my SgtMaj that I would get a General Discharge, under Honorable conditions at worst. But llok what I got 2 weeks later, an OTH. I was allowed to get off restriction once I turned in my request. My 1stSgt and CO recommended an OTH and got it. The 1st Sgt was just pissed because he coulnd't knock the boots. I hate them all, but I heard my CO got his in Desert Storm, shot in the Ass. I worked in S-4 and got the 1st Sgt wife before they got me though. I turned in the Paperwork confirming that she failed her last two PFT's and she was forced out as she was a GySgt. So I got some relief. But even with the assholes, I love the Corps, will till the day I day. It's in me and will be forever.

Grow up, quit your whining, and act like adults, all of you. You broke the rules, got caught, and paid the consequences. If you haven't figured that out, then you're destined for more trouble.

"Grow up, quit your whining, and act like adults, all of you."

go fuck yourself

I'm going to get an OTH, for altering my ID to be 21. I just had DRB and all my chiefs want me kicked out. With an OTH, is it hard for me to get a job? Or is it only hard to get a government job? Will i be able to get an upgrade to a general in 6 months, like everyone else says? Does anyone have any tips for me before i go to XOI? And captain's mast?

I recieved a general discharge for minor disiplinary infractions from the airforce 5 years ago and am very interested in reenlisting in the military. Does anyone know if this is possible, and how to go about it..
Any info would be appreciated

i recently tested positive for coke an de on a recent piss test. curently i'm going through the whole ncis investigation b.s., i was wondering if anybody has any experiences with these idiots? i have a real good feeling that they are playing games and such with me. i'm statinoed in japan and today they told me that they were going to have me thrown in japanese jail for doing drugs! that sounds like a load if i've ever hear one. doesn't the SOFA come into play somewhere? isn't it entrapment if they lie to me to get me to tell them information? also, does anybody have any first hand experiences with a positive piss test without a discharge? i'm the sailor of the year at my command (kinda ironic, huh?), and before this, i was the "golden boy". my chain will support me, do i have a chance and if so, what do i need to do?

I WAS BOOTED OUT OF THE NAVY WITH AN OTH DISCHARGE 3 YEARS AGO FOR TESTING POSITIVE FOR COCAINE.I HAVE REALLY TURNED MY LIFE AROUND AND WANT TO JOIN A POLICE ACADEMY TO HAVE A CAREER IN LAW ENFORCEMENT.I HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT MY TYPE OF DISCHARGE WILL PREVENT ME FROM THIS CAREER.WHAT ARE MY CHANCES OF GETTING MY TYPE OF DISCHARGE CHANGED? I HAVE ALSO BEEN TOLD TO NOT MENTION I WAS IN THE NAVY.DOES ANYONE KNOW IF A BACKGROUND CHECK WOULD INCLUDE THIS?THANKS FOR ANY INFO.

I'm in the Marine Corp. reserves and I may be looking at a OTH for UA. I have a great job and a great amount of bills. I cant aford to go over to Iraq for a year. I enlisted before all of this happen and joined for the displin and core values. I have 14 months left in my contract, with a outstanding record. I need to know if my employer will find out about my OTH and if so how if any way can I hind it from them. I have not gone UA yet but this the only way I know of to keep from going. If anyone has any other things they might know of to get a discharge let me know.

hey stop being ignorant asses! Don't accept a OTH discharge if you don't have to! Say you are gay and you will get a honorable discharge!
Just play it off right. Don't get screwed with a OTH after all your hard work and suffering. Think about it can u live with a honorable and have said u were gay, ore a OTH?

Signed up for active duty in the Army for four years, but less than a year into my contract I was given a chapter 5-18 due to unforseen circumstances. I was then placed into the IRR, but was later told that I could be recalled to active duty by my previous unit. Is this true?
If so, what are my chances of actually being called back to active duty?

Hey, I got an OTH from the Navy in February, I popped positive for meth. I stayed out in Cali for a while and couldn't get work out there, so I came home to New York. I can't get any work out here either. Luckily my girlfriend has a good job and has been pulling the weight, but I want that to stop. I have been doing odd jobs, mostly helping people move, cutting lawns, etc. just for some cash. I can't keep that up, its just not enough money. Not even close. I'll work on upgrading my discharge soon enough, but right now finding work is priority. Does anyone have any advice on what I'm supposed to do? Should I just not even mention the Navy on applications? I don't know, I'm running out of options and patience.

I am trying to get out because I am not suited for the Navy and the CO said Hell no. So I messed up and told him that I have a fraudulent enlistment. Am I going to get an OTH? They still need me to prove it so I can get out. But now that I think of it I could probably try for undue hardship at home because my mom is coming down with neuropothy in her legs and my grandma who we live with is constantly borrowing money and getting in debt. They need me at home. I am just past my 180 days I am only at like 200 or so so I couldn't get a failure to adapt from this ass of a CO. I really am not that scared of an OTH but I would rather not get one. What do you think the chances of getting an OTH are going to be? What should I do? I am not suited to this lifestyle. I wanted to go up and ask to be transferred to the reserves but he just grilled me and I lost my motive. What can I do now?

Why don't any of the questions about renlistment get answered, or those about can you get a civilian goverment job wit an OTH???????

"Why don't any of the questions about renlistment get answered, or those about can you get a civilian goverment job wit an OTH???????"

I have not answered them because I do not know the answers to them and would not be interested in obtaining said jobs.

I did get called and offered a job as a civilian working for the Army taking care of chemical weapons after I got my other than honorable discharge. I never followed up on it though.

I was in the navy in 1994-1996 and popped + on a wiz quiz for THC, the thing is, I have never smoked pot before or after, always got better than a 3.5 on my evals, and Always paid attention to detail. I was at a party with a lot of other people Officers and Enlisted, we all were a little drunk, OK really drunk some one passed a joint around and I tried some, honestly, it didn’t do anything for me, I never got "high", never felt the effects, just coughed a lot. Then I decided I never wanted to do it again,
A week later, I had to take a wiz quiz, I didn’t think much of it until another week went buy and I got called into the security office and was told that I had popped + on the wiz quiz for THC. So I TOLD THE TRUTH and said I got drunk and tried a little bit of the weed. They gave me two choices, I could be kicked out with 30 days suspension or 3 days bread and water, naturally I picked the thirty days suspension, but with all of the 4-hour nights while on watch during my suspension, I missed a muster and they gave me 3 days bread and water on top of the suspension.
More over, some of the other people who popped + that were at the party lied during the court marshal and said that they were fed brownies with weed in them, they got to stay in with a slap on the wrist. My advice, if you want to save face, don’t tell the truth, if you get popped for weed, tell them that you didn’t know the cookies were laced.
Needles to say I got an OTH and I think that I was unfairly treated, I volunteered to served my country, and I served Honorably. I would like a government job now almost 10 years later but I don’t know what I should do.

Hey Y'all,

As for my Army career, you can say that my chain of command and I had a falling out. I had new CO, who thought that an infraction was worth a Field Grade Article 15 when I thought it should have stayed at a company level. The problem I had was I didn't lie about it like the 7 other soldiers did. I practiced that whole "Army Integrity" Bullshit and they were looking to stick it to me. It was fairly political. I thought I was getting screwed, so I demanded a Court Martial. The offense was such a joke and demanding a court martial for it SHOCKED my whole chain of command. We went at it for two months and I didn't budge. Nobody ever demands a Court Martial over petty stuff. I wanted the whole show...three judge panel, lawyers & court room. As it turns out, I embarrassed my chain of command over how far the whole circus went and was given the option of a Chapter 10 which is a request for discharge in lieu of a Court Martial. I obviously did the chapter 10 because I was facing a felony conviction on my record, jail time & a dishonorable discharge. There were so many reasons why I did what I did in regards to demanding a Court Martial. I was sooooooo pissed at the way they handled the whole affair I was willing to go to jail and screw my whole life up....they thought I was NUTS. It got to the point when they stripped me of my rank in a company formation, my platoon sergeant refused to strip me of it because he thought it was bullshit and agreed with me. I had guys in the formation from my platoon rip off their rank and throw it on the ground to show their disgust at what they did to me. I can go on & on about the whole thing, but I stood my ground and I refused to be somebody's little BITCH and I got so much respect and support from my peers it was really touching....hence I'm not really military material.

Oh my offence by the way was drinking three beers on an R&R trip in Northern Iraq. I had NEVER been in trouble up to that point & was looked upon as a good soldier by my chain of command. After the incident they tried to have me sign some back dated documents saying I was counseled before I went on that R&R trip about the no drinking rule....I didn't sign them of course and then the Army preaches about all this integrity....BULLSHIT!!!!! During my time in Iraq, I know of a Sergeant Major needing to be helped to bed, three newly appointed captains celebrating and making spectacles of themselves, not to mention the numbers of GIs drinking while on duty. I was on R&R and my weapon was locked away in an armor room. None of these people got into any major trouble and my chain of command want to hit me with a field grade, I couldn't just take it & drive on with all the B.S..

What steps should I take to get my discharge upgraded to a general discharge.

hey none of u are goin to give me some shit about saying i was gay and getting honorably discharged? hahhahahahahaha

Hey James,
Stick it where the sun doesn't shine. Oh and congrats on not only being a liar, but an asshole as well. They must be missing you.

Peace

hey have any of you all had any problems with a general discharge?

I was recently discharged from the Army with an oth for, like most of you, poppin on a piss test for weed. The thing about my situatin is once I was told I was getting discharged I came down with that all familiar "dont give a fuck attitude". I ended poppin on like ten more test because I refused to stop smoking as it was the only way for me to deal with deppression and keep from blowing my head off, or my co's or 1sgt's head off really. My unit was so messed up that it took them nearly 9 months to get my chapter paperwork right. Well you know what they tried to do to me during that time, make me bend over and take it. So I went awol for a year. Fuckem. Myself and about 10 others in my unit going through the same shit made up our own company motto, "NO VASOLINE". With an oth it has been very hard for me to find work. When I look back on things I wish I could have handled the situation differntly, but hey I can only play the hand I was dealt. So for any soldiers out there that have to take it with NO VASOLINE my advice to you is to try and stick it out the bennifits to me outweigh stigma of an oth. Definately dont try the drug way to get out. Like many on this site say just try to tell them youre gay. Also never settle take the shit as high up the chain of command as you can even if you have to talk to the president himself. Make copies of all your paperwork and try and gather as much proof against your chain as you can because if you dont try and watch your own back, noone else will. I admire this site and it great to be able to vent with people who are in the same sitiuaion. Best of luck to all who may be in need of some help.

My husband and I both have OTH discharges for going UA. We both had the opportunity to stay in but we decided against it because I was pregnant. We took the OTH instead of being court martialed and potentially facing a bad conduct discharge which could also give us a felony.

He has had no problem getting jobs, even when we were UA he worked. He has told the truth to his employers about being in the navy at one time and not having a "great" discharge but chooses to leave it at that.

Although our discharges are basically stuck this way, I suggest if you have any questions on if yours is to find someone nice at the veterans office, which is what we did. Also the form used to upgrade your discharge is Form DD 293.

in 2000 i got an oth from the marine corps reserve. in 2003 i enlisted in the army national gaurd for a try one year in the gaurd program. after i did my year i chose not to reenlist. so feb. 2004 i got an honorable discharge from the gaurd. on 2 oct. 2004 i got a letter saying i've been called to active duty for operation iraqi freedom. when i return home from active duty with the army will i be able to go back to the marine corps reserves

>I'm going to get an OTH, for altering my ID to be 21. I just had DRB and all my chiefs want me kicked out.

One kid in my division was making fakes for tons of people. The fakes were so authentic looking that when asked to pick out which one was fake many people guessed the wrong one.

The only way he got caught was because a kid got too drunk and rolled the blame off on my buddy. Like me my buddy was in school to be a nuclear reactor operator so they let him stay in (since it is hard to find people intelligent enough to do that job who actually want to be in the military).

Recruiters get double points for signing up a nuc, that should be the first tip that the job is complete shit.

My buddy later got an honorable discharge and now goes to school. I am an internet marketer and he does all my web development stuff.

I think anyone that feels they got a other than honorable discharge / raw deal should be loud about it...it is the only way to change the policies.

Most people in the military honestly do not even care about how functional the military is. They are concerned about their reputation...the military is the same way.

Thats why I made this page about getting an other than honorable discharge. Same thing with when the navy spams people with a CNAVRES 1100/8 letter...they find my site first.

Those who are asking about rejoining the military after an other than honorable discharge are reenforcing the image that the military is right and good and that you are "other than honorable."

The military is a crazy lifestyle and it is hard to adjust to normal life after you get out of the military even if you do not get an other than honorable discharge. Many of my "honorable" friends struggled to find jobs too.

Look at the 2004 presidential election. Kerry's records showed that his discharge had to be reviewed...and Bush should have got a dishonorable discharge for not even showing up.

The point is that if you go after what you really want to do and you work hard at it an other than honorable discharge can strengthen you way more than it hurts you. Right now I am financially doing well and one of my prime motivators was my other than honorable discharge.

Good post Aaron. Very inspiring and you made alot of good points. Maybe its time I started thinking more like you. Thanks for the inspiration.

all you people who think you should be able to stay in or get a general for doing drugs are morons.

the navy's policy is to separate if you knowingly did drugs. "i didn't feel the effects even though i smoked it so i didn't think i'd pop" is about the most idiotic thing I've read on this thread.

if you choose to do drugs, take the fucking consequences like a big kid. YOU KNOW WHAT THE POLICY IS. is "zero tolerance" that vague? do you think YOU will get an exception?

if you didn't want an OTH you shouldn't have done the drugs while you were in the navy. and fuck this "the navy drove me to drink" or "it is the only way i can deal with it" bullshit. some of us are on deployments with our families at home, and most of those people waiting for us at home are away from their families too. it is YOUR decision to drink or do drugs, and you need to grow up and take the consequences.

learn before you speak XYZ...

Had a guy on my boat not got in trouble for using cocaine (and still stayed in the navy) then I could understand your zero tolerance concept. The whole zero tolerance concept is about breeding ignorance, and assuming you are in the military I can see that it is working just fine.

Study what the zero tolerance policy actually means and then post your apology.

No apology from me here.

if people slip through the cracks, they're lucky. but NO ONE should expect that THEY will be that exception. you're right - everyone should get kicked out for it and not everyone does, but to complain because YOU got kicked out is ridiculous.

i'm so sick and tired of people not accepting responsibility for their actions. we had a guy come through who was an alcohol rehab failure, and he thinks he shouldn't get kicked out because "it's the command's fault". how the hell is his command responsible for his choice to bring that drink to his lips? you're all adults, stop blaming other people for YOUR failure to follow the rules.

I could respect that "you are in control of your own actions" attitude a bit more if environmental factors did not frequently lead to suicide or other forms of self destruction.

I never did illegal drugs until long after I made it to the submarine. Years before I got in trouble for using drugs I drank until I stopped breathing. What did the command do about my drinking? They ignored it until the time I did drugs while blacked out drunk and then they destroyed their own work records of me.

Now that I am out of the navy I extremely rarely use drugs (once in a few years) and have only drank too much once in the past couple years as well. ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS ARE IMPORTANT, AND WHEN YOUR CHAIN OF COMMAND IGNORES YOU WHEN YOU ASK FOR HELP AND THEN LATER DESTROYS THEIR OWN WORK RECORDS OF YOU AFTER YOU BREAK ONE OF THEIR RULES AND THEN RAILROADS YOU THEN YOU SHOULD BE PISSED AND YOU SHOULD CREATE A HIGH RANKING PAGE LIKE THIS TO COLLECT ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK.

I asked for help or for a break before I got in trouble. They told me to go fuck myself and I told them the same.

While playing along in rehab I saw on the wall that suicide was the second leading killer in the navy and few understood why. Even more sad was not only the fact that while at rehab I stopped a kid from eating a bottle full of sleeping pills, but also that the poster warning about suicide was years old.

One way or another the military is going to get feedback. If they make fucking people over the only way they can get feedback then people like me will proudly use technology to spread that message.

"Years before I got in trouble for using drugs I drank until I stopped breathing. What did the command do about my drinking?"

Are you or are you not an adult? The Navy isn't responsible for babysitting. Period.

>The Navy isn't responsible for babysitting.

It is this scumbag line of thinking that makes the military a horrible place to be. Keep in mind that I stated that I knew I had problems, I told the DAPA I was an alchoholic, and I asked my chain of command for help...I stated that I was burnt out and I could not stand that environment...and I got told to go fuck myself.

The same black and white (too stupid to see color) line of thinking that is powering your current broken logic also states that when I display problems AND ask for help that the military should not ignore it.

XYZ, I bet you were never a nuclear reactor operator on a special operations fast attack submarine who had not seen sunlight in over a month and recently had bad things happen to many family members (such as HIV, going jail for murder, and also death). Without needing any details you are judgemental. You are a nasty close minded individual.

You are right that the military does not take care of its memebers, and I am doing just fine now that I am out of their grasp. Indeed, I need no babysitter.

Even if you are an adult it is clear you do not think for yourself. You are sadly brainwashed and exactly what the military wants. BZ shipmate.

I'm hearing a lot of people who seem to have a lot of angst. I think mine may take the cake. I didn't do drugs, I didn't drive drunk, I didn't commit a felony offense. The thing I did to get kicked out was--refuse to come in off of leave because my Platoon Sgt. (Marine Corps, of course) wanted me to come clean the barracks. I really don't know how to fight this fight. I'm still in the process. Does anybody know whether an OTH definitely does affect employment outside?

By the way, I also agree with XYZ. If you did drugs, then even though I'm sorry, you knew you shouldn't have. As I'm writing this, I just wrecked my car, my fiance dumped me, and just found out about my Admin Sep package, even though I've finished four years and seven months of a five year contract--and doing drugs isn't going to help, and I know that. And I know all of you knew that when you went to boot camp, too.

Hi Deeb
sorry to hear you are going to get the bad deal. What you fail to realize in your "drugs are wrong" menatality is that some people actually did not do drugs. Some others only did drugs after they lost all faith in humanity and wanted to kill themselves.

What if somehow you find your way into the brig for not cleaning the barracks while on leave. Sucks, but it could happen. Then you would be one more "poor me" case who is whining. Truth is, the military is an employer with few legitimate feedback loops.

Many people use drugs because it is one of the few legitimate feedback loops left.

Aaron, I understand what you're saying, but they make it pretty clear--if you do it, you're gonna get fucked. Make no mistake about it. I hate the fact that the military, the Marine Corps in general is such a fucked up organization, and I'm not necessarily in disagreement with you. I even did them myself, before I joined.

At any rate, does anybody know how much, if at all, an OTH has on your post-military life? I'm debating on whether or not to go to the Board. An informed opinion, please.

And by the way, Aaron, I really like the site and what some of the people have to say on it.

The trick with an other than honorable discharge is to not mention it.

I had a ton of headhunters calling me up (did you know they usually make like 30 - 50% of your first year wage for fiding you). Once I told them that I had an other than honorable discharge they were like "oh darn, better luck next life."

In my opinion many of the headhunters are just blood suckers. One of the bastards even had me book reservations to a job conference that was canceled because people were worried about military people being called back to war

When I stopped mentioning the other than honorable discharge I was soon offered a job. Keep in mind that it takes most people like 3 - 6 months to get a job even if they were not other than honorably discharged and even if they were not in the military.

If you feel you were fucked over there is absolutely no reason to mention your other than honorable discharge to anyone. Most potential employers will not check your terms of discharge or mention about it.

Just talk like one of the good old boys talking to another good old boy if you are talking to headhunters. If you go for a regular job like Wal Mart or something they absolutely will not check (I got hired there about 1 day after I got my other job and I chose to stick with the one that paid 3 times as much.)

Also if you have a passion for anything and are interested in the web I would encourage you to go after it. The web is amazingly powerful and if you are willing to work hard enough and learn enough you can become your own boss.

Most specifically the navy nuclear power program and to a lesser extent the job I had after it tainted employment forever for me to where I will never again be employed by someone else...especially something like the military. In a year or two I will even write a book about it.

Aaron, I understand what you're saying, and I can see where you'd think that I might be brainwashed, but trust me...I have kids, and I demand that my children behave themselves and TAKE RESPONSIBILITY. When they do wrong - admit it and deal with it. No excuses, no blaming others for their own actions.

Sympathy? Hell yes I have sympathy. I was horribly depressed my first 3 years in the Navy. I was stationed in a remote assignment, for the first time in my life away from my family, young and in a new country, no friends, no families, no nothing. I drank, probably too much, but I do not blame the Navy for that. **I** chose to drink. It's like people who die of lung cancer and sue the cigarette manufacturers.

I'm sorry I sound heartless. I'm a very compassionate person. Really! But I don't have the patience for people blaming their poor decisions on other people.

>TAKE RESPONSIBILITY

I would say that I did that. I even wrote about it on my own website and got the page to rank for related terms in major search engines. Anyone can go to Google and find out that I got an other than honorable discharge. That is more than most people do.

My chain of command did not take responsibility for destroying their work records of me. Bet your ass I will do what I can to ensure they do. ;-)

I will write a book about it.

>**I** chose to drink.

Just like all the people who chose to commit suidide in the military because they lost all hope and got told to go fuck themselves when they asked for it - I should be dead right now.

Just like all the people who chose to have their lives ruined because they develope PTSD while in the military.

The military is not like a regular job where you can just walk away from it (unless you are Bush - who oddy enough I am strongly marketing against this election).

It is up to me to make sure people see more than numbers. I need to make sure society as a whole recognizes just how bad the military is...people should know that suicide was the second leading killer in the navy.

People should understand that it is not uncommon for an extremely high % of nuclear power students to kill themselves. A kid who lived in the room next to me did so when he got to his boat. My old roommate went pyschotic while in the navy.

here is another kicker, while in the military they offered me drugs to "make me better." All I needed was out of their fucked up organization. All better now :-)

People should know that there is no military justice. That military justice is a sack of shit ... that my lawyer was frowned upon for actually defending people ... that the same evaluations that mean so much toward your career can be lost or destroyed at the convenience of your supervisors.

The people who fucked me will be publicly known and I will make it easier for other people to give feedback. If I have to make my own large scale feedback network that makes the military a bit more functional I will.

>It's like people who die of lung cancer and sue the cigarette manufacturers.

That is a poor reference. At the age of 17 you do not sign up to be a high tech cutting edge (lie: actually 60s microprocessor technology) smoker who ABSOLUTELY MUST CONTINUE SMOKING ANY CIGARETTE, OR CIGAR, OR PIPE, OR RANDOMLY SHAPED TOBACCO HOLDING CONTAINER PLACED IN FRONT OF HIM FOR THE NEXT SIX YEARS. -- see how stupid that sounds? That is because your analogy is that far off.

>But I don't have the patience for people blaming their poor decisions on other people.

Joining the military was a poor decision. My fault. However I will use any marketing knowledge I gain to reshape the fucked uped organizations.

Some people think that this site is about or that I want a handout of some sort. That is not the case.

I would simply be content with my old CO being fired, thrown in Levenworth, and him writing a letter of appoligy to me.

I will also eventually make a full ride scholorship that pays for college for submarine nuclear reactor operators who got kicked out of the navy for using drugs.

OK, I will concede on the point that the military is not faultless. I completely agree that there are fucked up people in the military. However, I don't agree that the military, as a whole, is the problem.

"My chain of command did not take responsibility for destroying their work records of me. Bet your ass I will do what I can to ensure they do. ;-)"

This I agree with. They do need to take responsibility.

But if you think that one eval made the difference between an OTH and a general or honorable...don't. OTHs are pretty much the standard for people who use drugs. Sure, there are the ones who get by with a general who did drugs, but overall, regardless of your evals you're most likely going to get an OTH.

My issue is that I read people here saying "I chose to do drugs but i'm not willing to accept the consequences." This is what I originally posted to. Your story, your situation, I really don't know anything about. I do dislike that you lump everything military as "bad". There are a lot of really great people out there, commands who really care about their people (believe it or not). I've been taken care of very well at 2 of my 3 duty stations. I'm not a 5.0 sailor, I'm a 3.8 sailor. I don't kiss ass, I do my job and try to do it well. I also don't ask for much, and if I do wrong, I expect to get in trouble for it. I've gotten in minor trouble before and I've dealt with those consequences.

I have sympathy for all the kids who join when they're too young and immature to realize what they're doing. I think a lot of people go into it with rose colored glasses, thinking it's going to be so great and wonderful and perfect, and it's a slap in the face when they get to their ship and are mess cranking in the galley that's 90°. But you don't go UA because you feel this is "unfair", you do your job and work your way up.

>OK, I will concede on the point that the military is not faultless.

I do not need you to concede this. The fact that it is made of people means it will have faults.

>I completely agree that there are fucked up people in the military. However, I don't agree that the military, as a whole, is the problem.

That system is the problem. Those who can't see it must be being fed their own brains. Look at Abu Ghraib.

High-profile convictions of low-level soldiers involved in Abu Ghraib obscure the bigger picture: senior officers are in line for promotions and the House is pushing to legitimize torture.

>"My chain of command did not take responsibility for destroying their work records of me. Bet your ass I will do what I can to ensure they do. ;-)"

>This I agree with. They do need to take responsibility.

How do you suggest they take responsiblity for maliciously detroying their own work records of me? Those are the same sacred work records that determine whether or not one can make rank.

(Incidentally enough they fucked up prior evals and I did not make rank until like 8 months after everyone else from the same cycle because they fucked that up too - twice - and I still have the records to prove it.)

>But if you think that one eval made the difference between an OTH and a general or honorable...don't. OTHs are pretty much the standard for people who use drugs. Sure, there are the ones who get by with a general who did drugs, but overall, regardless of your evals you're most likely going to get an OTH.

That may be true. Keep in mind that not long before that incident I was the youngest person in my division and I was frequently placed in charge of my leading petty officer. In fact the chief and first class took leave at the same time with me running the division. I was on watch the day after duty September 11th during a plant temperature shift when I was also running our division that day. I was the one who did the lighting quick precritical checkoff where I pushed the commanding officer and Navsea08 out of my way to get the ship ready to go to sea.

I worked at least twice as hard as almost anyone in my division (even stood someone elses watch on Thanksgiving with a herniated disk in my back). I was damn good at my job and I was rather selfless.

They refused to let me go when I asked for help because they were afraid to lose me. In your book that might be "being a shipmate." In my book that is selfishness and greed.

>My issue is that I read people here saying "I chose to do drugs but i'm not willing to accept the consequences." This is what I originally posted to. Your story, your situation, I really don't know anything about. I do dislike that you lump everything military as "bad".

Its not everything that is bad, just the broken feedback loops. The fact that I had no input into my supervisors evals. The fact that long before I got in trouble when they fucked up my evals (not once but twice) my chain of command did not help me. The fact that when I asked for help they told me to go fuck myself. The fact that they had to destroy their own records of my performance before I could be processed speaks loudly for the crediblity of that system...there fucking is none.

>There are a lot of really great people out there, commands who really care about their people (believe it or not).

And Master Chief Myers was one of the few reasons I lasted as long as I did. The point is not that there are good people. The point is the system has broken feedback loops that make it inherently broken.

>I've been taken care of very well at 2 of my 3 duty stations. I'm not a 5.0 sailor, I'm a 3.8 sailor. I don't kiss ass, I do my job and try to do it well. I also don't ask for much, and if I do wrong, I expect to get in trouble for it. I've gotten in minor trouble before and I've dealt with those consequences.

How often were you asked to do things that you did not know how to do? Where if you don't do it they get you on dereliction of duty. Where if you do it wrong and admit what you did you go to Levenworth for violating rector safety?

Meanwhile your logs are so important and the officers go through and rewrite (rip up the old and make new copies of) the logs for an entire med run...adding stuff wherever they see fit. Dressing their logs up for inspection.

What about painting underway in non emergency situations? Assigning an entire watch crew to be paint team before inspection? No fresh air. That is my mind that is getting fucked up by those paint fumes? Huffing paint. Isn't that forcing me to use drugs? So drugs are only ok if they are forced on you against your will? Only if they are harmful with no enjoyment?

>I have sympathy for all the kids who join when they're too young and immature to realize what they're doing. I think a lot of people go into it with rose colored glasses, thinking it's going to be so great and wonderful and perfect, and it's a slap in the face when they get to their ship and are mess cranking in the galley that's 90°.

You know what is funny. Being a nuc is so damn bad that going up to crank is a treat. You can ask anybody on my old boat how happy I was while I was cranking right before I left that boat.

>But you don't go UA because you feel this is "unfair", you do your job and work your way up.

It is not a system about working your way up. It is a system set up to hold people down. Why do you think they pay so little off the start? Keep you poor, make it hard to get out.

It is not a system about working your way up. The fact that they did not care to help me when they fucked up my evals - twice. They did not care to help when I asked for it. They did destroy my evals before processing me.

Its a shitty fucking organization with broken / non existant feedback loops. How would you feel to be one of the fall guys from Abu Ghraib who were ordered to mess with the prisoners and are now being made specticals? Where the supervisors who told them to do it are being advanced for a job well done.

Current US Military System = COMPLETE GARBAGE.

Those who do not understand that never will.

I can see that you have zero interest in anything I have to say, and since this is your blog, I respect that and leave.

Your opinions are that, and mine are as well. I happen to be in a military that has treated me well and that has done nothing but good for me and my family.

I'm sorry that your experience was bad, and I'm glad that you've moved on and are successful at what you do. The military is certainly not for everyone.

>I can see that you have zero interest in anything I have to say, and since this is your blog, I respect that and leave.

How would you feel to be one of the fall guys from Abu Ghraib who were ordered to mess with the prisoners and are now being made specticals? Where the supervisors who told them to do it are being advanced for a job well done.

That is the current military system. Not talking just about me. Talking about the lack of feedback loops. Bad business do not have good feedback loops. The military does not have good feedback loops.

I'm am writing this post for anyone out there who may need some inspiration. I posted here a few weeks back with my story of how and why I got kicked. After a long year of working shit jobs and trying to get my life back together, I have finaly recieved a job offer doing the same thing I was doing in the military, but for much better pay of course! Like Aaron has said many times before on this site:

>If you feel you were fucked over there is absolutely no reason to mention your other than honorable discharge to anyone. Most potential employers will not check your terms of discharge or mention about it.

Just talk like one of the good old boys talking to another good old boy if you are talking to headhunters. If you go for a regular job like Wal Mart or something they absolutely will not check (I got hired there about 1 day after I got my other job and I chose to stick with the one that paid 3 times as much.)

Also if you have a passion for anything and are interested in the web I would encourage you to go after it. The web is amazingly powerful and if you are willing to work hard enough and learn enough you can become your own boss.

I wrote back how I was inspired by words similar to these and no more than a week later I got a call and was hired over the phone without even being asked about my time in the military. I'm not here to preach to anyone but I also feel my faith in God had alot to do with this. I would like to once again thank Aaron for coming up with such an awsome site where people can voice their opinions and find good information about things that are happening to lots of soldiers everyday. In the last month, this website has helped me more than my discharging unit did in a years time. Thanks again good luck to all who may need it.

good job Ricky!!!

I was 19 when discharged w/an OTH, I got popped for THC in the piss test. Im not proud yet feel I wasnt given a chance. I was only in service for like 5 months. BULLSHIT!!, I tried the "upgrading my discharge" crap, I even requested a hearing to hell with letter writing. Guess what they wrote me back. Ha Ha Ha,,better luck next time...Does anybody have any suggestions on other ways to upgrade my discharge, some people say state reps?
who? what? when? & how?

Thanks everyone!

What a thread... Thanks, Aaron, for allowing a place to vent, and inquire, about this subject.

I'll describe my experience, 'cause I've not read anything like it so far.

I served in the Marine Coprs in the early-to-mid '80s. I loved boot camp, and couldn't wait to start school and join the FMF. My MOS was avionics, and during school, I hit a low. I hated sitting in a cubicle all day, studying theory and schematics. It's not that I didn't have the aptitude to comprehend or assimilate--I didn't have the patience.

I voluntarily dropped after 6 months and joined the infantry. What I didn't expect, but ended up getting, changed my life forever.

My brother was a grunt, and always ribbed me for being a "winger." He went to boot camp, then ITS, and then into the fleet with the same group of guys. He spent his entire four years with buddies, enduring the good and the bad with them.

In contrast, I joined a crew of guys that were no where near what my brother had. I was small in comparison, and was a hell of a lot smarter.

For the next 6 months, I was fucked with constantly. Personal shit stolen, harassed & threatened. Being on firewatch was the shits. I learned not to carry my wallet anymore, because the fuckers from the other platoons would steal it from me.

After a hump, my entire backpack, with all my shit in it, was stolen, and all my Gunny did was get someone else's and then give it to me.

That kind of crap went on constantly. I was so full of hate and anger, and knew I couldn't beat these dudes asses myself, but you damn sure didn't rat.

After a while, I had enough. I bought a box of 5.56 while in Oceanside one day, and brought it back to the barracks (open squad bay). I didn't know when I'd do it, but I was either gonna scare the fuck out of them, or shoot them.

A few days later, I got busted. My platoon commander, along with my platoon sergeant, called me out, and had the box. I fessed up, and told them what I had thought about doing, and all he (Lt.) did was suggest I see the base quack. He also said that if they wanted to persue it, they could have me put into corrective custody. Me! That was not an option.

I laid it all out in front of the doc, and all he did was tell me to try "working out." Try "getting some exercise." I was a fucking grunt! We got plenty of exercise!

I wasn't religious, but I figured I'd talk to the base clergy. All that dude did was agree I had anger issues.

Our battalion was set to go on a float (11th Marine Amphibious Unit, '85) for 6 months, and I knew I didn't want to be stuck with those fuckers for that long on an amphibious ship. So I left.

Eight months later, I went back to Pendleton, on my own. I couldn't take hiding anymore. I loved the fact that I was a Marine, but I absolutely hated who I was with.

All they asked me was if I wanted to go to Court Martial for the UA, and possibly face prison, or take an OTH, waive all my VA benefits, and get out. Single, no kids, I said O.K., and after 30 days of the "D" platoon, I was out.

By the way, those "D" guys were the best. A former Recon Marine, a couple of E-5s, an E-6 (on second enlistments), and other really good guys. Next to boot camp, that was the best month of my time in the Corps.

No one made me drop out of avionics. No one made me leave. I did it on my own, and I have to live with the consequences. But I know I'll never be able to proudly boast I was a Marine.

Later, I looked up stuff, wishing there would suddenly be a provision that would have allowed me to re-enlist, but there wasn't. Even though I now had a career, I tried to get in during Desert Storm, but the recruiter wouldn't even talk to me. I tried talking to an Army National Guard recruiter, but he said I should get over it and move on.

I've done well in the long run. I make a great salary, have great kids, and will retire from 20 years of the fire service in just over 3 years.

I didn't lie on my application; they just didn't really care. I'm a decent, hard working person, and have never been accused of a crime my entire life.

All I'm guilty of is being too undisciplined and impatient to complete a school that would have paid off with incredible returns and opportunities, and of not handling my predicament in the infantry better.

I never tried to change my discharge; I earned every bit of it, and take responsibility for it. I can't blame my lieutenant, the base clergy or psychiatrist for my reactions to my situation. I thought about it, and disregarding any impact it would have on my entire future, make a conscious, deliberate choice.

Since then, I've served my community and my family to the best of my ability. I am a great father, and a proud firefighter/paramedic; but nothing will ever erase the shame of my personal actions when I was a Marine.

Sometimes I ponder what I'd loose if I were to try and get in now, with the war and troop shortages going on. I'm not a chicken-shit; many things in my career have put me in danger. I would loose all the pay and benefits that I've earned for my family over the last 17 years, and I would make their lives extremely tough. So I know it's never going to happen.

In retrospect, was it worth it? No-fucking-way. Would I do it different if given another chance? Hell yes. But, I'd eventually come back home and find that cute little thing to have my kids with again!

>>Personal shit stolen, harassed & threatened.

That is not uncommon. On the submarine we had lots of that...cartons of cigarettes, wallets, clothes, etc.

I'm in the process of getting an OTH from the Navy. I popped for cocaine and received the usual max punishment. There are a few things I wanted to clear up after reading a lot of these messages....
1) If you know you did it and it came back positive don't waste your time with an Admin Sep Board, 9 out of 10 times you'll get an OTH if it was drugs.
2) To get your OTH upgraded to a General after six months isn't automatic. You need to put a request through D.C. to have your case reviewed and either be there in person or have a lawyer represent you.
3) If you are on your second enlistment you do retain your GI Bill if you were honorably discharged from the first enlistment.
These are only some of the facts I know, but calling your Congressman and other different approaches also sound like good choices worth a try. Hope this helps somebody.

I am in the process of being booted out of the navy with an oth. But you know what I am not mad about it all. The navy was definately for me and I am glad I am getting out. but i do have one question do i still get so va benefits like the home loan and can i apply for unemployment. will this stop me from being able to apply for federal aid for tuition to go to college. please reply.

You're eligible for almost all VA benefits, but the VA has to approve you on a case by case basis. Unemployment only comes when you've held a job (for however long) after you've been discharged from the Navy. In other words, you can't get kicked out for an OTH then go straight to the unemployment office and start collecting a check. The Navy was smart enough to cut that off from everyone. So contact you're nearest VA and see what's available.

well i was sent home in 7/1976 with boder line nuts.aka ptsd i was in the usmc recon i got a good discharge but the dam va is still trying to fuck me, all of this is in black and white thair papers not mine thay don,t give a dam about us hell thay served on time thay are under grad lawers, chins, camel jockeys. you name it, when you guys went in, did thay not tell you that you the property of the us.gov and if you got fuck up, thay wood take care of you! bull shit, but don,t give them a inch fight for that right thay said it the law says it it,s your right holdem to it,the dam layers

I am currently on the uss cowpens in yokosuka japan right now. I went to drb for underage drinking I will be sent to captains mast for sure. This is the third time i will have been sent to mast in 6 months for the same reason which the cmc said warrents a oth discharge because it's a pattern of misconduct. But here's where it get's tricky i asked the captain personal at mast after the second time i need help i think i have a problem he said you don't have a drinking problem you have a thinking problem. But it's standard after a alcohol related incident to get sent caac. Which they didn't so i wondering if i should fight that saying i wasn't properly helped or should i just fake being a homosexual to get a better discharge?

Cool, its taken me about 6 years to find a web site like this!
Well heres my story. When I failed at college I was in desperate need of a life and money. So I made a mistake of joining the Navy. When I went to take my physical in San Antonio, the fuckwad petty officers there brainwashed me into thinking that the SEAMAN APPRENTICE "PROGRAM" would be my best option (bullshit). I had wanted to be a radioman originally but i decided to go in as seaman since these officers told me that there were no radioman jobs left-which was also a load of crap. Once in bootcamp I never really took bootcamp seriously. At first I almost got kicked out for filling out my Phsycological test like I was a maniac (do you hit things when u are mad?--yes, do you smoke pot?--yes. So when i was called in by a counselor regarding my results I told him I was not serious. So I had to bullshit my way out of not going home from bootcamp. So anyway after that I decided to take it serioulsy maybe there was a chance I could be someone important.

Well everything was honky-dory until I arrived at my command (USS MOUNT WHITNEY). The bitch was on drydock and was known (and still is) known as the floating Hilton Inn aka Mount Whit-Me. What hell it turned out to be. The SEAMAN APPRENTICE job was really a load of crap...literally. The reason that they were trying so hard to add me on was because no one wanted to be a seaman appr. As a matter of fact I found out I was actually unrated which means u have no real job. All I would do was carry heavy shit up and down the 75 degree steps, chip paint, toss things overboard, sweep, mop--good ole DECK DEPARTMENT. IT WAS FULL OF FUCKHEADS who were in the brig and lost their stripes and positions because of fucking up. so they generally didnt care, but boy did were they the first to take credit whenever anything good was said of the deck department. I HAD HAD IT. all those monkeys were fucking lazy and full of it. LATER I BECAME DEPRESSSED AND DECIDED TO COME UP WITH A PLAN TO GET OUT. AGAINST MY GRANDMOTHER'S WISHES I ACTUALLY FOUND A WAY TO GET THE HELL OUT OF HELL....

HERES WHAT I DID....
I FAKED A SUICIDE ATTEMPT!!!!!
POPPED ONLY HALF OF VERY WEAK TYLENOL PILLS AND THREW THE REST OVERBOARD AND KEPT THE BOTTLE....GENERALLY I USED TO ALWAYS DO THIS WHEN I HAD HEADACHES. BUT TO THE UNFAMILIAR EYE IT WOULD LOOK AS A SUICIDE ATTEMPT. I WAITED UNTIL I FELT RELAXED AND STARTED TO STUMBLE TOWARD THE ON-DUTY WATCHMAN AND HANDED HIM THE BOTTLE AND EXPLAINED THAT "I THINK I JUST MADE THE MISTAKE OF MY LIFE!" IF ANYONE STOPPED TO WONDER TO SEE IF IT WAS ACTUALLY A PLOY NEVER CAME FOWARD BECAUSE IT WORKED! I DID GO THROUGH A BIT OF HELL THO. I WAS TAKEN TO A PHSYCIATRIC WARD FOR ABOUT TWO WEEKS OFF THE BASE IN A NAVAL HOSPITAL. IT REALLY WAS CREEPY BECAUSE EVERYONE THERE BUT ME WAS HEAVILY MEDICATED. EVERYONE THERE HAD TRIED TO DO THE SAME AND MAN THERE WERE PEOPLE FROM ALL TYPES OF MILITARY. THE WORST PART WAS WHEN I GOT THERE I WAS GIVEN A URINALISIS AND THEY TOLD ME THAT IT CAME OUT POSITIVE FOR METH. THEY TRIED TO SCARE ME ABOUT HOW I WAS GOING TO JAIL!!! THIS WAS CERTAINLY UNTRUE SINCE I HAD NEVER EVEN DONE METH NOR POT IN MY LIFE!!! I DID NOT GO DOWN THO, SINCE THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO LOCK ME UP I DEMANDED I ATLEAST GET A URINALISIS REDONE WITH ME BEING ABLE TO LOCK THE SEAL AND TAPE THE LABEL WITH MY NAME ON IT MYSELF. I MADE THOSE FUCKERS WAIT UNTIL I WAS READY TO PEE AGIAN. AT THE END THEY TOLD ME I WAS NEGATIVE. SO WHEN I GOT OUT OF THAT HELL HOLE I WAS TAKEN BACK TO MY SHIP FOR ABOUT A MONTH UNTIL I WAS PROCESSED OUT. I RECEIVED A GENERAL DISCHARGE WHICH WAS LATER UPGRADED TO HONORABLE 6 MONTHS LATER. AND THE BEST PART WAS THAT I QUALIFIED FOR THE HAZELWOOD ACT (TEXAS), WHICH MEANS THAT THE GOVERNMENT PAID FOR MY 50 PERCENT OF COLLEGE AT WHICH I ATTENDED AFTER MY 6 MONTHS OF HELL!!! SO I ATLEAST GOT SOMETHING OUT OF IT!! THE THING I NEVER GOT WAS THE RE4...WHAT THE HELL DOES THAT MEAN? I just want to let you all know that if you get taken advantage of you have to think of all possibilities there are while they are fucking you up. I feel that atleast I got something in return for wasting 6 months of my life. But they can never recompense me for all the nightmares I still have to this day....

SO IF ANY OF YOU ARE DESPEREATE TO GET OUT AND DONT WANT TO SAY YOUR GAY, OR GO UA, DO SOME GOOD OLE ACTING LIKE I DID AND YOU'LL BE ON YOUR WAY HOME....

PS
when i got out i found out that the recruiter who lied to me was worried that i was going to kill him. which i didnt care to do....

PPS
WHERE CAN I APPLY FOR THAT SCHOLARSHIP FOR THOSE WHO WERE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF BY THE NAVY!!!!!!!!! SERIOUSLY I THINK MY STORY WOULD BE LIKE A GOOD MADE-FOR-TV MOVIE...HEHEH

Prettymuch they have more rank so you are probably fucked. If you do the homosexual idea make sure you do it in a way where you are not accused of lying - at this point I probably would not recommend doing it.

After you get screwed by the navy make sure you put up a website that lets everyone know what you think about the navy.

Since nobody seems to be answering any questions here, I will. To get your OTH or general discharge upgraded, you must first obtain your COMPLETE service record, available by submitting the SF 180 available here:

http://www.archives.gov/research_room/obtain_copies/standard_form_180.pdf

Be sure to request an "Undeleted" copy of your separation papers and your complete service record. Next, submit a DD form 293 available here:

http://www.vba.va.gov/pubs/forms/dd0293.pdf

I recommend getting legal aid when filling it out as any discrepancies in your separation papers may come in handy. It will also be helpful to contact your senators and congressional representative for assistance. While it isn't necessary to attend the hearing in person, it is highly recommended that you be as complete as possible in filling out your paperwork. Be sure to include details of your "model citizen" behavior since your discharge.

Good Luck!!

I got an OTH, now I am a Corporate Recruiter. Do not sweat the OTH, do not even mention it. Just say you were not in the Military.

If you are asked directly and they want to see a DD214; spill the beans, they will find out.

You will have to get it waived for a government job, could be a problem.

It will come up if you are going to be CFO.

It's amazing what one reads here. My son is about to be O-T-H'ed from Naval boot camp. He went in with his eyes wide open. We talked extensively about what he was doing, and what he was expected to become - a warrior. The military is not a social or public welfare organization. It is the mechanism by which a nation defends itself from harm, and its members are WARRIORS. Boot camp, rightly so, molds individuals from varied backgrounds into the fighting men and women the nation needs to protect it.
I'm glad the military discharges those who can't hack it and do the job needs to be done.

>It's amazing what one reads here.

isn't democracy and freedom of speech wonderful!!!

>My son is about to be O-T-H'ed from Naval boot camp. He went in with his eyes wide open. We talked extensively about what he was doing, and what he was expected to become - a warrior.

that is perhaps a bit misguided IMHO. most military memebers are not warriors.

>The military is not a social or public welfare organization.

not entirely true. some of the people I met in the navy would have had no job at all if it were not for the navy.

>It is the mechanism by which a nation defends itself from harm, and its members are WARRIORS.

really, that view is misguideded. read some books or spend a few years on a submarine.

>Boot camp, rightly so, molds individuals from varied backgrounds into the fighting men and women the nation needs to protect it.
I'm glad the military discharges those who can't hack it and do the job needs to be done.

hopefully your son finds a job that is more productive than what he would have done in the military.

Does anyone in the Navy ever get sent to the brig just for testing positive for marijuana?

I am a reservist in an infantry-based branch of the service. it seems likely we will return to iraq in about 15-18 months.

I have been disgusted with my unit since I joined. they have done nothing to prepare us for the possibility of returning to Iraq, and most of our drill weekends consist of little more than sitting around, doing nothing.

the chain of command seems to have zero interest in doing anything other than sitting back and collecting their paychecks and promotions. most of the experienced, worthwhile NCOs are long gone -- basically because the unit is such a mess.

I didn't join for this. While I was, and still am, totally willing to obey orders and do my job, there is little doubt the chain of command feels little need to follow through on their responsibility to me. as a low-ranking enlisted person, I know there is no point in even saying anything about it.

I am contemplating smoking some pot just to get kicked out. I gave up pot for the military when I joined, but right now am approaching the end of my patience ... and I still have a number of years on my contract.

I already have a good civilian career and don't see how an OTH could hurt me. so I have 2 questions:

1-if I don't want to be a police officer or something like that, does an OTH ever pose any risk to my professional life?

2-would I be able to upgrade an OTH? I already served once in Iraq, and have a combat action ribbon... I also always had above-average evaluations and never got into trouble. given these considerations, would an upgrade be doable?

I'd be very grateful if someone were to answer this posting. thanks

DR

After boot camp, all was well... but just before I was to report into MCT, I awoke with no function in my hand. THREE MONTHS latter my hand regained function... I became very pissed off due to the atrophy that took place in my left arm, and the assholes who told me I was a liar! FUCK the "SMART" clinic!!! my two EMG tests said other wise!!
But yes I have an OTH and a good old marine corps. nerve diaseas! and carrpel tunnel to top it all off. i am only 24.
and with unknown reasons why I have this nerve shit.
my rebelion was in defense!

My 2nd command in Springfield, Mo jerked my chain for the entire month my father was dying in the hospital. They wouldn't give me leave, no cost TAD orders, nothing. Despite several Red Cross messages. I got an OTH for smoking pot. I want it upgraded. Does anyone have any numbers or web sites that will help me? Thanks all!!

thoughts on going ua. been in the navy for only 9 months. have $6k saved up. could live out of motels for a while then go back home. is this feasible? how long should i wait before going back home? ive heard 180 days then they stop really caring about you. would be happy just working a crap job at walmart or somewhere.

My step-son is in the Air Force and will probably receive a general discharge here shortly. Can anyone explain to me what exactly is a "general discharge" and will it affect his chances of getting a job when he comes home?

Anth -- I have no righteous basis for talking you out of your intentions, but I do have experience. My decision in 1985 to desert--let's call it what it is--was, without a doubt, the worst decision of my entire life. I have never stopped regretting it.

If given one chance of a do-over, that would be it. It didn't affect my getting a good career, or leading a happy life; on the contrary, if I could just put it behind me, one could say I have the perfect life. But I can't, and probably never will.

Everything we do as people directly affects many, and vise-versa. This will affect many people in your life--those living now, and those in the future which you can't forsee. It will affect them for generations to come. It will cause humiliation and embarassment to your children, and their children.

I have, as do many, people in my lineage that served. If I had an ancestor that had deserted, that person would be looked at in a spotlight completely different than those who served, and particularly those who laid down their lives to guarantee our nation's freedom.

That person's offspring will never shake the stigma of their ancestor's actions. No matter what the reason, justified or not, the person will always be looked at as a coward; a quiter. When your children are confronted by other children who lost a relative who served, there is no escape for them.

And if you think others won't find out, think again. They always do.

I could lie and say I got booted for smoking weed, or doing cocaine, but that's not what I did, and I have enough self-respect (what little is left) to speak the truth.

I could have taken the drug route to get out. It would have been easy for me. I loved getting high before I went in. But, in this life, we're held accountable for our actions, and should be. I left because, I thought, the alternative was shooting someone.

In retrospect, it's easy for me to say I wouldn't desert again. It's easy to forget how much I hated the people I was with. I was close to assaulting someone with a loaded weapon. Had I, I would have undoubtedly spent a good time in prison, and be so much worse off than today.

But I can't say I'm glad I deserted, either. There had to be a better way to solve my problems, and I'll just have to live with the realization that I didn't find that way.

Many on this site have very good reasons for deserting, or taking drugs intentionally to get booted out, and will defend their actions strongly, but I have to look at myself in the mirror daily, and I see a quitter. I see someone living the life of freedom and opportunity, who wasn't willing to help defend that life with my own.

It wasn't worth it.

>Everything we do as people directly affects many, and vise-versa. This will affect many people in your life--those living now, and those in the future which you can't forsee. It will affect them for generations to come.

Its true that anything you do has ongoing effects.

>It will cause humiliation and embarassment to your children, and their children.

Today I am doing well. The single biggest reason I am doing well is because I took the "other than honorable" route. The bogus judgemental behaviour others gave me taught me a ton about humanity and life and about taking accountability for my actions and environment. It is what led me to set up the page and make it so that Google would rank it well for phrases such as "other than honorable" and "other than honorable discharge."

>That person's offspring will never shake the stigma of their ancestor's actions. No matter what the reason, justified or not, the person will always be looked at as a coward; a quiter. When your children are confronted by other children who lost a relative who served, there is no escape for them.

Thats just plain crap. I have known many people who have done well despite a bad military career. You chose how you live and what you pass on.

>And if you think others won't find out, think again. They always do.

Thats the trick. Tell who you like. Decide who not to. I intentionally made it so that the largest information gathering systems in the world rank this page for "other than honorable discharge." Its nothing to be ashamed of. After the confusion of leaving the military abruptly there are probably enough other things to worry about other than the status of your discharge.

I have many friends who got honorable discharges that still strugled after they got out of the military. I almost instantly flourished because I decided to put the past behind me and focus on what I am interested on.

>I could lie and say I got booted for smoking weed, or doing cocaine, but that's not what I did, and I have enough self-respect (what little is left) to speak the truth.

It seems to me that you feel like less of a man for not getting an honorable discharge. Is the person who serves 3 years as a cook in the reserves a better person than me? If so then why?

>I could have taken the drug route to get out. It would have been easy for me. I loved getting high before I went in. But, in this life, we're held accountable for our actions, and should be. I left because, I thought, the alternative was shooting someone.

Sounds to me like you made a wise choice. Murder is typically a bad call.

>In retrospect, it's easy for me to say I wouldn't desert again. It's easy to forget how much I hated the people I was with. I was close to assaulting someone with a loaded weapon. Had I, I would have undoubtedly spent a good time in prison, and be so much worse off than today.

Again, murder is usually a bad thing...

>But I can't say I'm glad I deserted, either. There had to be a better way to solve my problems, and I'll just have to live with the realization that I didn't find that way.

And that is what is really sad. The military gives people ultimatums. Your dishonorable, your in the brig, you are honorable... This or that. Right and wrong. Black and white. The real world does not work that way.

If you let anything negative drive your actions for the rest of your life in a negative way then you have already given up a good part of your heart, soul, and mind.

>Many on this site have very good reasons for deserting, or taking drugs intentionally to get booted out, and will defend their actions strongly, but I have to look at myself in the mirror daily, and I see a quitter. I see someone living the life of freedom and opportunity, who wasn't willing to help defend that life with my own.
It wasn't worth it.

Everything you do has an associated opportunity cost. Blindly following leaders causes them to be fucked up. Following all the rules all the time may mean that there is less freedom and more people needlessly die.

I challenged the system and am doing just fine. Today more than ever I am proud of my actions and what freedoms I have left.

general discharge = no big deal.

the biggest difference between it and an honorable are the GI bill benefits, and if you got an honorable discharge via reenlisting prior to your end discharge of general I believe many of those benefits still exist.

Is there any loophole for getting out of the Navy without smoking weed or doing something stupid? Would it help at all to talk to a lawyer and see what they have to say? I'm desperate!

I was discharged from the U.S. Army after 2 years of service, for failing the urinal test. I did 90 days of extra duty and was also deployed while on extra duty. After being threatened and spit on for five months, it was my hard work and respect I earned from my peers and leaders that got me a General (under honorable conditions). Now, I would love to rejoin the military which I enjoyed more than anything in the world, but it seems like no one will give me a chance. So what can I do , anyone with information please contact me by e-mail Thanks.

I received an OTH (RE4) from the Navy back in 98 for doing drugs (ecstacy). I admit that I seriously messed up and take all the responsibility for my actions. I'm am now in my last year of nursing school, I have a 3.4 GPA and I'm looking to get back in. I've been hearing things about getting waivers for RE4 codes from the Army National Guard. What is the validity of this? Will they still give you a waiver if you're trying to become a commissioned officer. I'm trying to get into the Army Nurse Corps. I heard on the news that the National Guard has fallen short of their 2004 quotas by 30%. Would this increase my chances of getting a waiver approved? Thanks for your help.

Question...
So Aaron when you applied for these jobs did you mention that you had a military career?
On your application what did you put under Military background?
I know someone that had Class C Misdemeanors prior to the Navy which they recieved as a 16 year old, and they were allowed to enlist into the Navy, they now have an OTH due to personal family reasons.
Can you get a job working for the Military or any other decent job in the Market with both misdemeanors and an OTH?
Can this person repair their life???

>So Aaron when you applied for these jobs did you mention that you had a military career?
On your application what did you put under Military background?

Initially I mentioned that I was in the navy and that I got an other than honorable discharge. Later on I mentioned the military but did not mention the other than honorable discharge unless they asked about it. Most people do not know much about the military or your terms of discharge.

>Can you get a job working for the Military or any other decent job in the Market with both misdemeanors and an OTH?

I would say I make more than the average worker. I have turned down employers that wanted to pay me to work 4 hours a dan and would pay more than the average job. I am not looking for military employment.

>Can this person repair their life???

Sure they can. Its up to them though. They can live in the past and keep their other than honorable discharge with them and allow it to continue to give them an excuse to do bad. OR the other options are:
-they could ignore their terms of discharge and go on with life.
-they can use any bitterness they have as a possitive motivator in their life.

Thank you for the reply Aaron....

Did you run across employers that did look into your background even though you did not provide your discharge information?

Has anyone on this site had an okay time finding a job after having both a Misdemeanor, Class C and an OTH?

Did you put your specific information as for when you enlisted and the separation date on your applications?

Were you specific when applying or vague?

Have you ever been hired and then later terminated due to false information, as for after they looked into your background?

>Did you run across employers that did look into your background even though you did not provide your discharge information?

nope. I was brought on as management at a large international company...even Wal Mart was going to hire me too. lots of big companies do not check.

>Has anyone on this site had an okay time finding a job after having both a Misdemeanor, Class C and an OTH?

if the misdemeanor happened as a youth I do not htink it matters much. an other than honorable discharge does not matter much so long as you do not mention it.

>Did you put your specific information as for when you enlisted and the separation date on your applications?

I think I may have. there are non OTH reasons (family problems, etc.) to leave early. so long as you do not act like there is something to hide they probably will not expect it.

>Were you specific when applying or vague?

its all about empathy. if they don't care that much about the specifics than neither should you. with wal mart I was vauge with a bunch of stuff. I was placed at the job I took by a former military member. I was exceptionally specific about some of the good times and experiences we both had. he thought I was one of the good old boys. its all about empathy.

>Have you ever been hired and then later terminated due to false information, as for after they looked into your background?

no, I quit my job like 6-8 months after I got it. I became a self employed internet marketer. when you searched for "other than honorable discharge" you found this page because I wanted this page to rank for that phrase.

well, I just took a pee-test the other day and I am about 90% sure that I have failed it. I smoked with a few of my buddies about a week ago at a band practice of ours, just to bring back the moments from the good ol' days while jamming. Well, then I go to freakin' school and they called my name for a damn pee test.

Alright, here is my question. Am I gonna get a Dis-honorable discharge, or a other-than-honorable discharge? and what will determine what I get.

I have been in the navy since {edited} and Am now at "A" school learning to be an {edited}

My friends have told me that since I am at a training facility, that I will only get an O-T-H, and not a dishonorable, but really, I think that they have no idea. Can you please help me and let me know what you think? Is there a possability that I will get and Dishonorable, or do I have a chance at getting an O-T-H ??

email me: edited@yahoo.com

a dishonorable discharge is a bit hard to get. you will probably get an other than honorable discharge if they catch you. I edited out your details because there is no reason to rat yourself out and some members of the military will be reading this page.

I am not certain why some people want to give all their details before they get in trouble or while they are still in the military. look at the guy way above who states that he is doing undercover drug work and gives his official navy email and whatnot. that is probably not a wise thing to do.

thanks alot for responding, it shows that people actually do care.

The reason for giving the info, is because I don't really care if they know or not. I wanna get out of this Navy bull shit so bad, that I hope that I pop positive on my drug test. I wanna go back to living the life that I used